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I make no bones about this being the nuclear option - so if it's "too harsh"? Good.
And I'm going to make this very simple, since I hate rules that are complicated:
If you can't make 50 "real wins" the punishment is a wipe out of your cash and the loss of 5 years of WB. No scaled punishments, just a rule that if you can't even manage 50-112 I'm going to throw the book at you.
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If the ownership of the team switches, is the new owner subject to these penalties?
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No the owner responsible only
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Any reason for the 50 game cutoff? I'm fine with it. Just seems arbitrary.
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It is arbitrary, any decision we make will be. It's for simplicity.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/ins...t?id=12222&ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_olney_borasothersproposeantitankingmeasures
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Timely article, feels like I am reading an entry out of the Onion though.
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I've sat on where we're at on tanking rules for a few days and I've thought, "do I throw out the 'P' word or not?" Yes, I believe it's the best way to end tanking. The root of tanking is to get better picks, so if we're even going to consider a punishment, why not start there?
I don't believe losing Winterball is all that big of a deterrent. On the old system, sure. A positive WB roll meant guaranteed improvement for prospects. Now, a positive WB roll is just a chance to maybe improve more if the player jumps during the season. If you tell me that I can't Winterball, I say, "Oh, well."
I like losing the cash. They can't build/upgrade their stadium or buy prospects/picks. But the draft picks will really make people think. I don't believe they should lose picks, but rather slide their 1st and 2nd round picks back 10 slots each. So, instead of getting picks #1 and #31, they now get picks #11 and #41.
And all of this just for one year. Remove all cash and drop picks after re-signings for tanking and we're done. It makes it easier to handle than having to remove cash each season and having to make sure that team doesn't post Winterball. If they're able to collect the cash for WB, I say let them! It's not a guarantee that it's going to work.
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Under 50 "real" wins means loss of ALL Cash and 1st + 2nd round picks drop 10 slots each.
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I'm not touching picks until this rule is ineffective.
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