No Longer Allow Natural Position Changes

***mattynokes*** · 02-05-2019, 11:53 AM

Most know that I like to use the Natural Position Change, but I’m willing to see it go, if there’s an acceptable process put in its place. I’d be fine with seeing the Natural PC no longer be allowed, if you can switch a SS or 2B to CF (with LF and RF added as well). It would cost $10M (just like WB) and take up a WB slot. The player’s speed will determine how their new vitals in the OF will look. GMs caught trying the Natural PC will have the PC reversed to the player’s previous Predicteds at the position, be charged $10M, and not allowed to do any WB for the current off-season.

So, how will it be policed? We have enough GMs who go through rosters for tanking and notice PC attempts already. So it’s simply the league’s responsibility to bring it to Andy’s attention and from there it’s a clear-cut right or wrong. So, to recap as if it were a written rule…

Position Change to Outfield
1.      Trying to naturally PC a player to a new position is no longer allowed.
2.      Teams can use a WB to change any true 2B or SS to CF (LF and RF will be added as well). They will have all infield predicteds removed and only be listed as an OF.
3.      The cost for this is $10M and will take up a WB slot.
4.      Players will have the same arm and fielding in CF as their profile shows them in the infield. Players with 80+ speed will have the same range. Players with 75-79 speed will have their range dropped 2-3 points. Players with sub-75 speed will have their range dropped 5 points.
5.      Teams caught making a natural PC will have it reversed to the player’s previous predicteds at that position. They will also be charged $10M and will not be allowed to do any WB for the current off-season.

Finding these out are 100% up to the league and Andy only has to look into it if it's brought to his attention.

Peter · 02-05-2019, 12:00 PM

No thanks.

Relying on mutual policing isn't a good approach. I don't think this is a big enough issue that we need to create rules for.

cadmus2166 · 02-05-2019, 12:16 PM

I have zero interest in this. It's just adding extra rules and policing for something that doesn't need fixing in my opinion.

JMaineD · 02-05-2019, 01:24 PM

I vote no to this as well, extra policing and this just penalizes teams who takes a risk to better their team value.

hickoxb2 · 02-07-2019, 11:16 PM

So what happens with a guy who has 74 in LF, 74 at 2B, 70 at 1B, 64 at 3B, etc? Where do we draw the line? What's considered an "unnatural" position change? I don't hate the idea as much as others seemingly do, but it sounds extremely arbitrary.

***mattynokes*** · 02-08-2019, 12:06 AM

(02-07-2019, 11:16 PM)hickoxb2 Wrote: So what happens with a guy who has 74 in LF, 74 at 2B, 70 at 1B, 64 at 3B, etc? Where do we draw the line? What's considered an "unnatural" position change? I don't hate the idea as much as others seemingly do, but it sounds extremely arbitrary.

Well, that guy is a true LF, so he wouldn't be eligible. It's not arbitrary. 2B/SS who can't hack it, get moved to the outfield (i.e. Billy Hamilton). With our defensive edits, all other positions have secondary options if their true position is a bust. Like the guy you mentioned has 1B.

mike · 02-08-2019, 07:49 PM

I'm all for this. You shouldn't be able to take a guy who's meh and turn them into the next Ozzie Smith. It's a known bug time to stop abusing it.

***Geaux Blue*** · 02-08-2019, 10:54 PM

I'm with Canadian Mike.

***AndyP*** · (This post was last modified: 02-09-2019, 12:19 AM by AndyP.)

I lean towards simply outlawing this. All the other stuff is unnecessary. We have defensive edits.

Unless I hear a good reason otherwise, this should be illegal under the "Don't be an Ass" rule.

***mattynokes*** · 02-09-2019, 12:35 AM

(02-09-2019, 12:16 AM)AndyP Wrote: I lean towards simply outlawing this. All the other stuff is unnecessary. We have defensive edits.

Unless I hear a good reason otherwise, this should be illegal under the "Don't be an Ass" rule.

Because there is no rational position to play the speedy 2B/SS otherwise. Even with defensive edits, they don't always get other positions added. Even if they do, they don't fit the 1B or DH profile. Because of this, they're just stuck in purgatory.

It's preposterous that Mogul would even create players as poorly as it does at 2B/SS when the quality needed to even tread water in the league is so high. That's why giving them a position to be useful makes sense.