01-18-2016, 02:35 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-18-2016, 02:38 PM by mattynokes.)
I posed the question on the Pod since it seems some are in favor of this and I felt others were either uneasy to bring it up or just didn't know the circumstances. I do have a little story that at the time, I found odd, but now I think it makes sense:
Back when I was doing the Top Prospects Lists, Sean commented to me that he felt Peter Carson was too low on the list. This was early in Carson's minor league career, so as someone rated around 75 overall, he was going to be passed up by closer to ready low-to-mid 80's. I saw where Carson could jump very high on the lists in the future, but not before he proved something. It didn't add up at the time, but now it looks as close to evidence that Sean was adamant about Carson because he already knew what his future projections were and that he was going to have a long and extended career in FCM.
I will say that I question if he edited players on the Cubs. Why one team and not the other? I can't answer why he would, but players like James Aitkenhead don't have that extended career that Angles stars Demont Williams, Tobey Horton, Tim Vandyke, and Carson had. It's too much of a coincidence to get THAT lucky on so many players having good careers into their late 30's and early 40's. You may get a few here and there, but not like that in relatively the same time period. I believe it's obvious that Sean edited Peak End and also edited Longevity, so that even in decline, they didn't see drastic effects of aging.
I also do not believe that this is like the current, real life HOF status where we just aren't sure if some guys were clean and others were not. This is like entering in Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Rafael Palmerio, and Mark McGwire into the HOF with ZERO ties or suspension to PEDs and then suddenly a mountain of evidence comes down on them. Guys like Sean Vogel, Donovan Pace, Steve Miller, and Brett Cloyd are pure and clean. Those Angels players are not.
No, no, Mike. When I said that in the chat, I meant it as we can't 100% prove Sean cheated with an admission of guilt or video evidence. Just like you can't prove someone juiced if all you find are syringes. However, if you can't explain the syringes, then why do you have syringes? There's enough circumstantial evidence here.
Back when I was doing the Top Prospects Lists, Sean commented to me that he felt Peter Carson was too low on the list. This was early in Carson's minor league career, so as someone rated around 75 overall, he was going to be passed up by closer to ready low-to-mid 80's. I saw where Carson could jump very high on the lists in the future, but not before he proved something. It didn't add up at the time, but now it looks as close to evidence that Sean was adamant about Carson because he already knew what his future projections were and that he was going to have a long and extended career in FCM.
I will say that I question if he edited players on the Cubs. Why one team and not the other? I can't answer why he would, but players like James Aitkenhead don't have that extended career that Angles stars Demont Williams, Tobey Horton, Tim Vandyke, and Carson had. It's too much of a coincidence to get THAT lucky on so many players having good careers into their late 30's and early 40's. You may get a few here and there, but not like that in relatively the same time period. I believe it's obvious that Sean edited Peak End and also edited Longevity, so that even in decline, they didn't see drastic effects of aging.
I also do not believe that this is like the current, real life HOF status where we just aren't sure if some guys were clean and others were not. This is like entering in Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Rafael Palmerio, and Mark McGwire into the HOF with ZERO ties or suspension to PEDs and then suddenly a mountain of evidence comes down on them. Guys like Sean Vogel, Donovan Pace, Steve Miller, and Brett Cloyd are pure and clean. Those Angels players are not.
(01-18-2016, 02:25 PM)mike Wrote: It's acknowledging that they are awesome players but there is no 100% to say so and so is juiced. Like matty said we basically found the syringes but we can't exactly tell who's butt they went into.
No, no, Mike. When I said that in the chat, I meant it as we can't 100% prove Sean cheated with an admission of guilt or video evidence. Just like you can't prove someone juiced if all you find are syringes. However, if you can't explain the syringes, then why do you have syringes? There's enough circumstantial evidence here.
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