(04-02-2015, 12:42 PM)mike Wrote: I'm not really going to add any more to this but also look at the other side of the coin too. Sure a tip talent could fall and a team gets lucky with rolls. But they could also get unlucky and if they try it again the next year and gut unlucky then they lose the pick altogether.
i did look at the other side. i tried to figure out the pros and cons of it, but what i just said, the cons far outweigh any pros it may have. another thing is, the drafts as is some of them have limited top top talent (just depends on the draft) so the bad teams need to have every chance to try to get good talent. so even if a real good top 7 player from the draft falls to a playoff team cause of his signability concerns and the team doesn't get lucky and can't sign the player, you are still hurting the overall draft cause one of the better players in the draft (whether it's a good or bad draft) got eliminated that year and one of those bottom teams missed out on a possible franchise piece.
no matter what you say, the cons continue to be more visible. i'm just completely against this, because i can see how this will go, it's not hard to have vision and see it, you just have to look. this is just change for the sake of change and overall hurts more than helps, and i just can't sign off on that.
(04-02-2015, 12:59 PM)mattynokes Wrote: Well, it was a good effort. Thanks for the discussion on the idea, guys!
(04-02-2015, 03:11 AM)Vertigo Wrote: My only concern ... what happens when/if you can't do it?
Nothing. The draft would roll on as normal. That's the beauty of it. Since I'd be editing 5-10 Mogul created draftees to my draftees, if it doesn't work or I can't do one season, no harm, no foul.
(04-02-2015, 08:54 AM)Peter Wrote: having a simple and easy to understand structure is what can help us gain new people to the mogul land.
adding this has basically no benefit and complicates things which would hurt recruiting efforts.
not one person has latched onto the idea of it being interesting watching prospects in a separate file either; not sure why you insist on shoving this idea down our gullets. if you want to be in the league, hop on the waiting list like a normal human.
New people would like say, "what's up with prospect John Smith *Signability Player*? And then it could be easily explained. Unless you're an inbred hillbilly that can only count to three because you lost two of your fingers, this is a pretty simple idea as for what GMs would have to do.
I'm not shoving this down anyone's throat. Andy and I talked about it, he was on the fence, but said to post and see what the league thinks. I'm just addressing the questions, concerns, and ill conceived notions after the file.
I do not want to be a GM again. I like an idea where I can be involved, have an impact, and only need to show up 2 times per season.
(04-02-2015, 10:00 AM)rockybull Wrote: I also have a problem where a top talent in the draft could have very low signability and falls to one of the playoff teams and they take a chance (cause they were good and he looks like one of top players in the draft) and they end up getting lucky with rolls and they get to sign a top talent at the backend of the 1st round. I mean you’re just letting the rich get richer, no offense, but screw that.
I just disagree with every bit of your proposal, this is something that I feel will cause more problems/harm than good. When that happens, then it’s time to stay away.
It looks like this will all be for naught, but I still cannot take these type of reasons to be against it. You make it sound like signability could be different from year to year. It wouldn't. It would always be the same as what I posted, where players drafted in the Top 15 would always sign.
It's definitely true that a good team picking late could roll the dice on a signable player that fell and get lucky, but it is structured to help out the teams picking earlier.
I still do not see what problems (with the file) this could create. It's just simple editing of existing draftees
"players drafted in the Top 15 would always sign." then you screw the 16th team. good chance a team or more gets screwed and a real good team gets the reward. that's a problem, and a big problem to me no matter how you slice it. if you can't see that, then were are at odds and won't see eye to eye on this. i've stated what i said and i'm standing firm.
"I do not want to be a GM again. I like an idea where I can be involved, have an impact, and only need to show up 2 times per season." I respect that, and it would be nice to have you as part of the league in some way. i just absolutely disagree with this solution though.