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RE: Negative cash should equal negative results - Cdawg - 05-20-2011 (05-20-2011, 08:51 PM)rockybull Wrote:(05-20-2011, 07:22 PM)GoIrish Wrote:(05-20-2011, 06:24 PM)rockybull Wrote:(05-20-2011, 05:57 PM)GoIrish Wrote: Peter, we are talking about something that will not just be for HB but for the league has a whole. DJ brought up a tremendous idea of allowing teams in the red or teams that are over budget 1 free release. This would be a get out of jail free card for some teams. For teams that do not need the get out of jail free card, they would be given a free WB slot or cash buyout (5M). I mentioned this to him well before he was in the red and got the same reaction. He seemed more worried about being atop the AL W and wins than having a stable franchise. Or that he didn't need to worry about it. RE: Negative cash should equal negative results - rockybull - 05-21-2011 (05-20-2011, 11:45 PM)Cdawg Wrote:(05-20-2011, 08:51 PM)rockybull Wrote:(05-20-2011, 07:22 PM)GoIrish Wrote:(05-20-2011, 06:24 PM)rockybull Wrote:(05-20-2011, 05:57 PM)GoIrish Wrote: Peter, we are talking about something that will not just be for HB but for the league has a whole. DJ brought up a tremendous idea of allowing teams in the red or teams that are over budget 1 free release. This would be a get out of jail free card for some teams. For teams that do not need the get out of jail free card, they would be given a free WB slot or cash buyout (5M). Well, we can clearly see that he had nothing to worry about, since the league will bail him out, the dude is smart, maybe I should do same thing when I start getting good, I think I will. I will just be 30+ mil over budget and wait to get bailed out if I get in the red, nice plan. RE: Negative cash should equal negative results - AndyP - 05-21-2011 I don't like bailouts - whether that be governments or online mogul leagues. There has to be a price or it condones irresponsibility. HB should be forced to put some players on the block for combination cash heavy deals with some prospects added until the budget is well in check. More than likely these deals will hurt Seattle's talent but it will free cash and budget room. That is a fair price - Seattle doesn't walk away with nothing but they also don't walk away scot free. RE: Negative cash should equal negative results - Jordan - 05-21-2011 (05-21-2011, 12:28 AM)AndyP Wrote: I don't like bailouts - whether that be governments or online mogul leagues. There has to be a price or it condones irresponsibility. Seattle has been scot free for a couple seasons now :rolleyes: (sorry I had to) RE: Negative cash should equal negative results - AndyP - 05-21-2011 lol, nice! As a constructive idea to help with things, here would be my suggestion: DJ/hoke should talk with Seattle and identify 2-3 players that need to be moved. They should identify a bottom floor for cash received/contracts taken for these players. Then they should identify a final target result of the deals (like having positive cash, X amount gone from the budget, etc) RE: Negative cash should equal negative results - dejota - 05-21-2011 HB didn't do a damn thing to help himself in this situation, that's clear. However, I think it's generally agreed Scotty got the ball rolling on this mess. Which is more important? Because if we take action, IE help Seattle, it's because we feel this wasn't entirely his fault and despite his lack of efforts our best choice is still to Bail him out, as Andy referred to it. We're basically saying the problem here is gaffs by Scotty that lead to his payroll becoming an issue. If we're saying this is more his responsible and the best choice is to leave it up to the Seattle GM we're saying much more than simply don't bail him out. We're also saying HB's actions weren't sufficient and he had ample time/opportunity to prevent this. If that's the case the issue isn't Seattle's (or KC's or NYY's) payroll situation(s). RE: Negative cash should equal negative results - mike - 05-21-2011 I take quite the offence to being lumped in with Seattle on this. I've traded what seems like millions of picks and specs to keep my team going and staying in the black. I've been responsible. I've taken the steps to make sure I always am in the black. Theres lost of specs I wish I could have gotten and or kept but I made the choice to keep my team in the black instead, something that wasn't done in Seattle. Scott got the ball rolling but HB didn't do himself any favors by extending vicmar to that huge contract. The idea of being on a coupel mil in debt and able to extend your guys is one thing, over 20mil thats another issue. RE: Negative cash should equal negative results - Jordan - 05-22-2011 (05-21-2011, 07:28 PM)mike Wrote: I take quite the offence to being lumped in with Seattle on this. I've traded what seems like millions of picks and specs to keep my team going and staying in the black. I've been responsible. I've taken the steps to make sure I always am in the black. Theres lost of specs I wish I could have gotten and or kept but I made the choice to keep my team in the black instead, something that wasn't done in Seattle. Scott got the ball rolling but HB didn't do himself any favors by extending vicmar to that huge contract. The idea of being on a coupel mil in debt and able to extend your guys is one thing, over 20mil thats another issue. jumping in this convo late, haven't really been following it, but I do have to say is yes i've seen you dance above the red for many seasons, i've watched you trade away specs and players for cash just to stay out of the red. RE: Negative cash should equal negative results - AndyP - 05-22-2011 (05-21-2011, 06:09 PM)dejota Wrote: If we're saying this is more his responsible and the best choice is to leave it up to the Seattle GM we're saying much more than simply don't bail him out. We're also saying HB's actions weren't sufficient and he had ample time/opportunity to prevent this. If that's the case the issue isn't Seattle's (or KC's or NYY's) payroll situation(s). What, exactly, is the problem with saying this? Yes, many moves by Scotty contributed to this, but HB has also not been willing to make the hard choices to let players go to solve this problem. It's like Scotty pulled the trigger on a very slow gun and had a month to get out of the way of the bullet, but chose to stand there anyway. RE: Negative cash should equal negative results - dejota - 05-22-2011 Alright, if you go more then 10M in the red you cannot keep any non arby players and you can't offer anything above league minimum deals in FA. If you're not 10M in the red (after revenue sharing) you can appeal to the admins to avoid the mogul punishment, otherwise you reap what you sow. |