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RE: Push Back Trade Deadline, Remove Waivers! - mattynokes - 04-01-2016
(04-01-2016, 06:05 PM)cadmus2166 Wrote:(04-01-2016, 05:02 PM)Mstrpr626 Wrote: Would this go into effect this season?
I'm guessing it would be next season, since rules changes aren't generally implemented in the middle of a season.
It could be implemented now. This isn't one of those changes that require preparation.
RE: Push Back Trade Deadline, Remove Waivers! - gillyd - 04-01-2016
I like the idea
RE: Push Back Trade Deadline, Remove Waivers! - Atlbravesfan27 - 04-01-2016
Love it. Let's do it
RE: Push Back Trade Deadline, Remove Waivers! - AndyP - 04-02-2016
Waiver thread is gone, this is good for this year.
RE: Push Back Trade Deadline, Remove Waivers! - mzylinski - 04-08-2016
My favorite pastime is blocking waiver claims so I'm a bit sad
RE: Push Back Trade Deadline, Remove Waivers! - sxr007 - 04-09-2016
Everyone seemed to be all for moving the trade deadline back. There never seemed to be any debate about it. Well I am here to show the other side of what can happen. I am not saying I am for or against the deadine moving. I just wanted everyone to be aware of the consequences. Just taking the other side, like I would on a debate team.
So a team can take on large salaries for just one month of the season. Teams then have the financial capability to create a Super Team just for the playoffs. If you know you are going to make the playoffs, why wouldn't you boost everything up you possible can. A team that wins the World Series may look nothing like the team they had August 31st. This is exactly why every pro sport has a trade deadline no where near the playoffs.
If your a team that you know won't make the playoffs on Aug 31st, why wouldn't you be a seller? Especially those Type B players of last year. It will be harder to get something out of free agency in a month, so trade them away to someone building a Super Team for the playoffs.
If you don't think it will happen, have you ever seen the moves I make with just a chance at the playoffs? Just wait till I am guaranteed in the playoffs on August 31st. Adding another $50,000,000 in payroll would only cost about $8,000,000.
And I have heard some collusion rumors lately. It would be very easy to help a friend win a World Series with such a late trade deadline.
Example in National League I see becoming available for a Super Team (only looking at teams probable not making the playoffs as of right now)
These are just the high salary guys that will be free agents at the end of the year. Why not add one months salary to booster a position, create a great pen, or have a high salary but very good bench.
Mets
Horton $14,000,000
Daughetery 5,000,000
Phillies
Wade 9,900,000
Martinez 12,000,000
Fiske 8,500,000
Cubs
Jasinski 14,500,000
Legg 12,800,000
McNatt 8,500,000
Giants
Navaroo 6,000,000
Spitzer 8,500,000
Padres
Mcneil 9,100,000
Creek 8,600,000
Manson 8,100,000
Worrell 11,400,000
Diamondbacks
Morrow 5,000,000
Bunten 9,500,000
Dodgers
Edger 8,500,000
Zalaga 13,900,000
Adame 4,700,000
RE: Push Back Trade Deadline, Remove Waivers! - mattynokes - 04-09-2016
This is what teams should be doing anyways. Most teams honestly do not try to upgrade everything possible. Making the playoffs might be a guarantee, but advancing in the playoffs is not. Maybe some teams can hide behind a large budget, but most teams cannot just add at will and not care if it doesn't work out.
Salary is all relative, so paying a guy $2M for September is the same as paying him $12M for a full season in you get what you pay for. Most of the guys that you list are whoop-dee-doo type players. Anyone with value would be headed for compensation, so the return would need to fit the bill. Also, injuries in September can derail any form of super team.
RE: Push Back Trade Deadline, Remove Waivers! - cadmus2166 - 04-09-2016
I definitely think that this should be viewed as an experiment for the first 3-5 seasons, with a discussion about the results and probably a league-wide vote on whether to keep it or not after that duration.
RE: Push Back Trade Deadline, Remove Waivers! - rockybull - 04-09-2016
007, if you are trading for a 1 month rental (and however far you make playoffs that year if you even make it) you have to realize that the demand would need to be low for the team trading the player. in most cases, folks even that's out of it would rather just hang onto the player than take a mehhh spec. and i don't see many giving up an actual solid spec for a 1 month rental. and as matty said, for some of the better rentals, teams will just choose to extend them or offer them comp.
i've had teams be completely unreasonable in trades where they had a peaked player in his FA year in AAA in July (he wasn't hurt either, he was there cause he wasn't good enough to make their bullpen, and was in AAA that year for 95% of that season) and that team asked for a legit spec (who is now a good looking 90+ peak spec for me) back and that team wouldn't negotiate at all. so i said screw it and moved on. that gm isn't here anymore, but there aren't going to be gm's lining up to just give you a solid talent that could help you a good bit rest of year and potentially playoffs without getting a pretty solid spec back, and a 1 month rental would be a huge price to pay.
RE: Push Back Trade Deadline, Remove Waivers! - 'PR' - 04-09-2016
(04-09-2016, 11:14 AM)sxr007 Wrote: Everyone seemed to be all for moving the trade deadline back. There never seemed to be any debate about it. Well I am here to show the other side of what can happen. I am not saying I am for or against the deadline moving. I just wanted everyone to be aware of the consequences. Just taking the other side, like I would on a debate team.
So a team can take on large salaries for just one month of the season. Teams then have the financial capability to create a Super Team just for the playoffs. If you know you are going to make the playoffs, why wouldn't you boost everything up you possible can. A team that wins the World Series may look nothing like the team they had August 31st. This is exactly why every pro sport has a trade deadline no where near the playoffs.
If your a team that you know won't make the playoffs on Aug 31st, why wouldn't you be a seller? Especially those Type B players of last year. It will be harder to get something out of free agency in a month, so trade them away to someone building a Super Team for the playoffs.
If you don't think it will happen, have you ever seen the moves I make with just a chance at the playoffs? Just wait till I am guaranteed in the playoffs on August 31st. Adding another $50,000,000 in payroll would only cost about $8,000,000.
It is evident that the cost to payroll is minimal and the reward is high because of the caliber of the player. I think you would be the only person willing to give a prospect of the same caliber a compensation eligible player could get in FA Comp for a one month rental who you have to non tender or extend (Which in most cases lands GMs between a rock in a hard place.) If it's Aug. 31st and someone wants Palencia, I'm not dealing him for anything less than the mid 80s peak prospect I could've gotten in a type B round. Shit, if I get enough of these potential Super Teams to bite on offers, I could come out with a 90s peak spec depending on the scenario.
The value is still there, even if you only get his services for one to two months. I think this actually might increase the market value of star players towards the deadline by teams with the prospects to do it.