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50 Win Penalty - rmelo - 05-15-2026
Was a lot of chatter last week regarding the penalty for failing to get 50 wins. After thinking and talking about it a bit more I'll write a formal suggestion:
Proposal: Modify the tanking penalty for not achieving 50 wins.
Solution: Move the offending team's draft pick from #1 to #10, removing WB ban and cash wipe.
Benefits:
- More consistent punishment
- Today, a cash wipe is of varying significance. PR lost ~$95 million with the latest punishment. There’s a multitude of factors that could lead the next person to losing $0 or $200 million in mogul dollars. There is also plenty of room for shenanigans (ie – I know I wont hit 50 wins so take on bad contracts, trade my cash for picks, etc). Removing the cash penalty standardizes the severity across the board.
- Today, a cash wipe is of varying significance. PR lost ~$95 million with the latest punishment. There’s a multitude of factors that could lead the next person to losing $0 or $200 million in mogul dollars. There is also plenty of room for shenanigans (ie – I know I wont hit 50 wins so take on bad contracts, trade my cash for picks, etc). Removing the cash penalty standardizes the severity across the board.
- Removes ambiguity
- Similar to the last line above – removes all ambiguity. PR stopped paying attention last season. Hick/Rhen tried their hardest and only hit 50 with the help of a re-sim. Setting a consistent measurement takes any sort of headache away from Andy in deciding who tried and who didn’t.
- Similar to the last line above – removes all ambiguity. PR stopped paying attention last season. Hick/Rhen tried their hardest and only hit 50 with the help of a re-sim. Setting a consistent measurement takes any sort of headache away from Andy in deciding who tried and who didn’t.
- One year punishment
- The ambiguity was helpful for those that truly didn’t intend to hit sub-50. Making it a 1 year penalty lessens the blow for those that weren’t true scumbags.
- Andy doesn’t have to track winterball bans. It’s a one-and-done penalty.
- The ambiguity was helpful for those that truly didn’t intend to hit sub-50. Making it a 1 year penalty lessens the blow for those that weren’t true scumbags.
- Removes the incentive to tank that hard entirely
- If you don’t get the first pick, teams will be more incentivized to not tank as hard
- If you don’t get the first pick, teams will be more incentivized to not tank as hard
- More fair to the people with the 2nd-10th picks
- Arizona, Baltimore, etc don’t see any tangible benefit from PR losing his cash or being banned from WB. All that happened is they got a worse pick. This will equalize things for the group behind the tanker.
- Arizona, Baltimore, etc don’t see any tangible benefit from PR losing his cash or being banned from WB. All that happened is they got a worse pick. This will equalize things for the group behind the tanker.
Cons:
The system really isn't broken now. but I think this is better.
RE: 50 Win Penalty - MidMissourians - 05-15-2026
Personally, I really like this. But am fine with any decision.
RE: 50 Win Penalty - texas_tornado - 05-15-2026
I have always thought this made more sense than the cash wipeout and WB loss, for the reasons mentioned. I am good with it being just the 1st round pick or all picks
RE: 50 Win Penalty - 'PR' - 05-15-2026
This is a more lenient penalty than what is currently in place. I'm completely against this. If we're going to change the penalty I think it should be as harsh or even harsher than the current penalty.
RE: 50 Win Penalty - Atlbravesfan27 - 05-15-2026
sadly, i agree with PR here.. there's no real reason to make the WB punishment less.. if anything, i'd be in vote of it being harsher
RE: 50 Win Penalty - rmelo - 05-15-2026
I don’t think it necessarily has to be harsher. Really I think the main objective should just be to not screw the teams who didn’t illegally tank.
That said - my original suggestion was to drop to last pick in every round. Open to discussion on the true penalty.
RE: 50 Win Penalty - MidMissourians - 05-15-2026
I think 10 is fine... to the last playoff team would also be fine. I also would only do it in the first round. We all know the top pick is the prize.
RE: 50 Win Penalty - AndyP - 05-16-2026
For purposes of discussion the move to the last playoff team would usually be pick 19 or 20.
RE: 50 Win Penalty - cadmus2166 - 05-16-2026
I'm good with this suggestion, whether the pick is moved to 10 or 19/20. I don't see any reason to move more than the first overall pick, though.
RE: 50 Win Penalty - Rhendricks - 05-16-2026
*Drop 1st round down 10 slots to 11.
*WB Ban that off-season.
*25 Mil Cash Payment (Or wipe if less than)
Less WB & (potentially) Cash to compensate for the pick drop, which should be the main focus here. I would also be fine with moving it down slightly more, but I think 10 slots is still pretty steep. I agree that the OP was a good starting point, but I think it's not quite there for deterring. This keeps everything in the same year as well for tracking purposes.