In addition to rocky's suggestion

[Cdawg]

You know what, I'm mistaken, I was looking at it from the perspective of the old systems. Still I think Haller and Atterman were by products of the budget cuts and Lloyd, Pym and Drinkard victims of the old system, and can't be held to the exact same standards.

i don't think neither one was worth type A at all.

Also, just to get a barb in... can we really trust Rocky's judgment on talent after his recent trade????? :P