Oakland // Cincinnati

[Cdawg]

Cincinnati Trades
1B Billy Butler 86/86[32yo] 12.0M 6yr
LF Ramirez 60/90[20yo] rookie contract
RP Davis 65/84[21yo] rookie contract


To Oakland for
EditP Roger Vaggars[28yo] rookie contract

Butler has a NTC but in the file I have he is allowing an acceptance to Oakland

I again take on another large contract, this one being a bit more dangerous as Butler is signed for 6 years. Like Pittsburgh, Cincy is in no position to win and losing a contract only helps out. I get two prospects who hopefully turn out nicely and I expect Butler to be productive for another 3-4 years.
There is no risk and mild reward.

EditI re-agree Vaggars is friends w/ Cincy's best SP so it makes his team happier, as the great late Tupac said "all you need is love...love is all you need'

[jps93]

accept, the word "helps" shouldn't be taken out of context here. Sure it helps me by shedding Butler's contract finally, but I pay him two prospects for taking on such a long term contract. He has it in his budget and Butler is a fan favorite so it could help generate more of a fanbase to OAK.

Since I signed Butler to an extension with Boras in 2016, DJ implemented his 100% buyout rule, Butler dropped from a 93 to an 86, and he has received multiple injuries (his health was much higher before the contract). It is a no-brainer that I had to find a way out of that contract and paying two prospects for someone to take him was the only way. Now I can focus on the upcoming Miller and Mainwaring crippling contracts.

[hokeyrules]

hokester approved

[Atlbravesfan27]

unfortunately, this one i would veto.. waivers for nothing, fine, but oak has to give up something of relevance here in my opinion

[jps93]

why stang? its the physical dumping of a salary.

[Atlbravesfan27]

so place him on waivers and give him to Oak... your giving two decent spects as well..while i understand the financial relief for you, giving away 2 prospects with promise for nothing and giving away an aging player with injury problems and a bad contract for nothing are 2 different things.. even in the Oak/Pit/Hou deal, atleast Oak was trading something decent still.

[jps93]

what's the difference, I'm cutting out the middle man but not posting in the waiver thread. no one in their right mind would claim him, and he can only go to 4 teams so that narrows it down even more. look past the ratings, the spects are good not great.

[Atlbravesfan27]

then why not trade just butler to him for 1M or something? i get your point about the spects not being great... but i dont see why Oak cant get up a "good" fringe type guy at the very least in this deal. I know there has to be an incentive for Oak wanting to take him, but cash or getting butler for near nothing should be the incentive.. i still feel like he should be giving at the very least a mid 80's type prospect here

[AndyP]

Just include someone meaningless and I would approve

[Cdawg]

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