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RE: Comp Picks - Peter - 11-12-2012
(11-11-2012, 08:45 PM)mattynokes Wrote:(11-11-2012, 08:10 PM)Peter Wrote: i really like the current system, and I dont see any problems
Well no shit the person that got compensation for mediocre players would say this.
This year is the first year ive even gotten compensation so let's take a chill pill. I dont even understand why this is a conversation, if the player has played well enough to earn a Type A or B title, they must have been doing something right.
RE: Comp Picks - mike - 11-12-2012
If anything like I said in xat, change the formula for being eligable in the first place and make it a bit stiffer to weed out these guys.
Also it doesnt really appear to be any change needed, given this has been up for a few days during our busiest time of the season and only 6 of us have commented on it.
RE: Comp Picks - mattynokes - 11-12-2012
(11-12-2012, 01:39 AM)AndyP Wrote: The problem with matty's idea is that it would be even MORE restrictive to guys releasing players. Qualifying offers of 10-12M would then have to be decided by the league which players would prefer to accept the qualifying offer. A guy like Widdup may prefer the qualifying offer and get 1 more year at 12M and hope for FA again next year. Also, this system would restrict small market teams from accessing compensation picks because they wouldn't want to pay the large qualifying offers.
We'd still use the 10-30% drop off for more years offered. By "league gets to decide", I mean the actualy FA bidding. Bill Doucet is a great example. He wasn't eligible according to the compensation formula, but one could risk no one in the league wanting to sign him for that much and go for compensation. Judging from the offers both Geist and Widdup would have been signed.
We actually already have a qualifying offer system. We have one where the offer varies (based on calculated salaries) for each player. This would give everyone the same offer. Plus not restrict who can receive compensation.
RE: Comp Picks - mattynokes - 11-12-2012
Since I was still asked in the chat to clarify, here is what we currently have and my proposal in comparision.
Current
1. Compensation eligible players determined by JHC's formula
2. Fallback determined by clicking calculate salaries, different for every player (Seem to range from $3M to $20M)
3. Bids on players offered fallback must be within certain percents of the fallback
Proposal
1. Anyone can be compensation eligible
2. Fallback will be a constant salary, same for every player (TBD, but likely in the $10-12M range)
3. Bids on players offered fallback must be within certain percents of the fallback
Again, I think this accomplishes the goal. It promotes more players (and more quality players) into FA. While I think JHC's formula was great and did it's job, it still slights players who had an injury season in the past 2 years. And maybe there's good reason for that, but that's the beauty of a constant fallback salary. Will the rest of the GMs see the injury as an anomaly, something to overlook, or will they see it as the reason to steer clear of the player - sticking the offering team with the salary. I just have to think they we've had teams re-sign high 80s to low 90s players they would have released in FA because they couldn't receive compensation.
RE: Comp Picks - AndyP - 11-12-2012
A qualifying offer of 12M is going to lead to the middle tier of free agents being resigned because they are too effective to release but not good enough to garner that much FA money. So in order to protect the one star that hits every 5t years we gut the effective 80-85 players. Not worth it.
Comp is going to encourage people even as a second round proposal because those picks still have value. I'd rather reward the more plentiful type of FA we have with an appropriate selection than chase a system that only works every 4-5 seasons.
RE: Comp Picks - Peter - 11-12-2012
(11-12-2012, 02:30 PM)AndyP Wrote: A qualifying offer of 12M is going to lead to the middle tier of free agents being resigned because they are too effective to release but not good enough to garner that much FA money. So in order to protect the one star that hits every 5t years we gut the effective 80-85 players. Not worth it.
Comp is going to encourage people even as a second round proposal because those picks still have value. I'd rather reward the more plentiful type of FA we have with an appropriate selection than chase a system that only works every 4-5 seasons.
I can guarantee a guy like Wittmann would not have hit FA if the comp was a sandwich between 2 and 3 for example
RE: Comp Picks - mike - 11-12-2012
I don't see any scenario not having its drawbacks other than altering the forumal that is used to calculate who is a comp player and making it a bit stiffer. And to be honest there is no realy outcry anyway to change it. If were that worried about the teams at teh top of the draft really suffering over these comp picks, protect the top part of the 2nd round and have the comp picks come in after them. Thats much simplier than changing the entire process of how we go about doing things.
I don't see any scenario not having its drawbacks other than altering the forumal that is used to calculate who is a comp player and making it a bit stiffer. And to be honest there is no realy outcry anyway to change it. If were that worried about the teams at teh top of the draft really suffering over these comp picks, protect the top part of the 2nd round and have the comp picks come in after them. Thats much simplier than changing the entire process of how we go about doing things.
RE: Comp Picks - hickoxb2 - 11-12-2012
(11-12-2012, 02:48 PM)mike Wrote: If were that worried about the teams at teh top of the draft really suffering over these comp picks, protect the top part of the 2nd round and have the comp picks come in after them. Thats much simplier than changing the entire process of how we go about doing things.
Even though this would hurt teams near the top of the draft (me being one of them), I don't think we should change rules that have worked forever and rules that are more or less currently in use by the real MLB.
RE: Comp Picks - mattynokes - 11-12-2012
(11-12-2012, 12:34 PM)mattynokes Wrote: Proposal
1. Anyone can be compensation eligible
2. Fallback will be a constant salary, same for every player (TBD, but likely in the $10-12M range)
3. Bids on players offered fallback must be within certain percents of the fallback
Again, I think this accomplishes the goal. It promotes more players (and more quality players) into FA. While I think JHC's formula was great and did it's job, it still slights players who had an injury season in the past 2 years. And maybe there's good reason for that, but that's the beauty of a constant fallback salary. Will the rest of the GMs see the injury as an anomaly, something to overlook, or will they see it as the reason to steer clear of the player - sticking the offering team with the salary. I just have to think they we've had teams re-sign high 80s to low 90s players they would have released in FA because they couldn't receive compensation.
Another option could be to still use calculate salaries, but have a max and min. Max of $16M and min of $8M would be appropriate. That way it'd be tough to get compensation on the fringe guys and when Mogul calculates those crazy high numbers you aren't looking at unreasonably high fallback prices.
RE: Comp Picks - Cdawg - 11-12-2012
This Idea is dumb